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Apr. 25th, 2008

  • 3:16 PM
femmealunettes: (sex kitten : Maggie Gyllenhaal)
I had weird, cracked-out dreams that I mostly don't remember, except there were baby rats and some guy was carrying one around a lot, and then he needed me to take it and he was all afraid it wouldn't remember him when it got back among its rat siblings. I had to reassure him that rats are smart and he wouldn't be forgotten.

And then I woke up at 2:30. *facepalm*

Everyone in the world is talking about the Open Source Boob Project, and all I have to say is: I'd trade tit-gropes with other girls. It depends on how hot the guy is. If this makes me anti-feminist, or gross, or whatever... it's not like I actually go to cons. xD

Now: I need a shower, and lunch, and then I am just waiting for 5pm and Harold and Kumar. \o/

Comments

[identity profile] apis-cerana.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 25th, 2008 07:32 pm (UTC)
I'm kind of sick of the Open Source Boob Project nonsense. My opinion is that I don't fucking care what people decide to do in their spare time, but it's still kind of sad that so many girls are omg so desperate for male attention/validation/whatever the fuck else that they don't mind having their boobs groped.Unfortunately cons are full of women like that.
[identity profile] speccygeekgrrl.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 02:46 am (UTC)
Exactly, yes.
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[identity profile] dougs.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 25th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
You should definitely go to conventions.
[identity profile] speccygeekgrrl.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 02:48 am (UTC)
The last con I went to, my costume was Jigen from Lupin the Third. That is to say, a full suit and a fedora. xD A little less fun than the less-dressed attendees. Also, it was okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again.

...the exception would be the Torchwood con, but I have as much chance showing up there as I do sprouting wings, because that's the only way I'd make it across the Atlantic.
[identity profile] st-raoul.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 25th, 2008 09:02 pm (UTC)
Agreed re: boobs. Mine are for the ladies only, except for a very, very special boy. Friendly groping between girls is aces.
[identity profile] speccygeekgrrl.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 02:49 am (UTC)
Word. I can't even count the number of lady-friends who've gotten a squeeze in. xD
[identity profile] yumenohogosha.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 08:08 pm (UTC)
Third-ed.
[identity profile] elessar.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 25th, 2008 09:18 pm (UTC)
The OSBP wank is so ridiculous. Isn't the point of feminism to choose what you want to do with your body? If you personally don't mind getting groped then awesome! D:
[identity profile] pocky_slash.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 25th, 2008 09:24 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry if I'm interceding, and as I said below, I'm not trying to start a fight, but I'd like to clarify what's so horrendous about this. It's not women who don't mind having their tits touched that are the root of this, it's the women who did NOT want their tits touched and were looked down upon by all participants, male and female alike, for not choosing to participate. They were later called for not understanding the reasons for the project, and pressured to allow this to happen to them so they wouldn't be the odd one out.

It has nothing to do with allowing your tits to be fondled--it has to do with being degraded because you decide you don't want that.
[identity profile] elessar.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 25th, 2008 09:31 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately you're going to have that kind of behavior no matter what the topic is, especially on the internet. I think this issue just needs to be buried because it's obvious that it's one of those things that will never be resolved.
[identity profile] speccygeekgrrl.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 02:49 am (UTC)
Yes. Thank you.
[identity profile] pocky_slash.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 25th, 2008 09:19 pm (UTC)
Okay, I wasn't going to say anything when I first saw this post because I understand that the attempt to rebuild a relationship here is tenuous at best, but it has been on my mind and bothering me at the bank and Hallmark and on the way to my aunt's house and all the way back here. In the spirit of pledging my support to the OSWBEOU project the other night, I feel like I need to look past my own personal feelings and let the explanation come out anyway.

It's not people saying "It's okay to touch my tits" that's the problem. The problem started the minute that it expanded outside the private room of friends and into the hallways. The problem started when a girl who DIDN'T want her tits fondled by a stranger became a prude or a killjoy or immature or was told she "didn't get it," not only by the men involved, but by the women. The problem started when, for a short period of time, it became the norm for a straight male stranger to approach a woman and touch her tits without expecting reprimand.

If you want people to touch your tits, that's your right and power to you for allowing that to happen without caring about the implications. But it should also be my right to say, "No, you cannot lay a hand on my body without my express permission" without being made to feel badly because of it.

Anyway, I'm not trying to start an argument or a debate, and if you disagree with me, we'll just have to agree to disagree. But my conscience feels better for having said my peace.
[identity profile] speccygeekgrrl.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 02:51 am (UTC)
That makes sense, and it's a perfectly valid point. When it stopped being about joking fun and became a situation of pressuring women into uncomfortable actions, that was the point where the line was crossed.

Unfortunately, trying to get con attendees to behave in sensible ways is like trying to herd cats: you're just going to get pissed off and perhaps injured.
[identity profile] insomniac-tales.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 25th, 2008 10:59 pm (UTC)
My only other issue about OSBP which I didn't mention in my rant and I want to say here:

The con atmosphere isn't really a place for that kind of thing. There are younger teenagers (which we'd be setting an example for), parents and older people (some of them professionals who don't go to those things for grab-ass and actually go to make industry contacts), etc. There's a time and a place.

And for me, I don't want anyone to grab my boobs. They're mine. Groping is something you do in intimate relationships, not just with anyone on the street.

Not to say that your opinion isn't valid, because a lot of girls agreed with you on his website. It's just not my opinion.
[identity profile] speccygeekgrrl.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 02:59 am (UTC)
Your opinion is completely valid as well. The only con I've been to was full of younger teens... which is partly why I haven't gone to one again. >>
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[personal profile] auguris wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 01:02 am (UTC)
Trading tit-gropes with other girls is not anti-feminist. Expecting other women to do so, looking down upon women who don't want to do it, that is anti-feminist. It is also what's going on with this idiotic 'project' of theferret's. (Honestly, if I was in a private setting and a female friend or aquaintance wanted me to feel her up or vice versa? I'm all over that. Not so much with a stranger in a public setting.)
[identity profile] speccygeekgrrl.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 03:02 am (UTC)
Expecting ANYONE to do anything uncomfortable and looking down on those who won't is asshole behavior. I wonder if this would have gotten as much attention if it was the Open-Source Omnisexual Ass-Grab Project.
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[personal profile] auguris wrote:
Apr. 26th, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC)
Point, and point. I don't have the patience to go through all the comments on his post, but it looks like he was against boys getting groped, because it was 'dangerous'. Which, no.

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